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Post by The MRP! on Sept 22, 2014 4:06:52 GMT -5
Welcome to the discussion thread for Doorway to Nightmare. Please feel free to comment, critique, query, or just post reactions to the issues and series. All comments are welcome, but please try to make all criticism constructive, so we can work to improve the craft. We want to hear what you like and don't like, but it helps immensely if you can elaborate on that more than I liked it or I hated it. Thanks you in advance for taking the time to read and post comments.
-M
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Post by The MRP! on Sept 22, 2014 4:56:31 GMT -5
So it begins, part one of Storm Season is up...
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Sept 22, 2014 15:06:35 GMT -5
Good God, So sorry - I've only just noticed this. I will read/review tomorrow if that is OK with you? I used to be able to get Forums on my phone via an app but...for whatever reason the App doesn't like this forum.
Will read and review tomorrow!
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Post by The MRP! on Sept 22, 2014 15:14:55 GMT -5
No worries, it just went up this morning man
-M
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Post by C_Miller on Sept 24, 2014 0:05:03 GMT -5
I just caught this man, I'm very excited to read the first installment for our site!
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Post by buck on Sept 25, 2014 1:54:06 GMT -5
Hey, sorry i haven't got a chance to read this yet. Been busy with the job search in the new city will have a review for you hopefully this weekend.
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Post by The MRP! on Sept 25, 2014 2:03:17 GMT -5
No worries...I know what's been on your plate.
-M
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Post by buck on Sept 26, 2014 0:24:37 GMT -5
Going to kind of give a little of a live reaction as I read.
-You set a solid tone with your first few paragraphs really building the mystery behind little boy alone in the Henderson wing. Overall the opening was rock solid. The haunting atmosphere dripped from the screen.
-The flashback was short, but again very solid. You continue to build a haunting atmosphere which fits the title well.
-It's early, but Corrigan comes of as too much of a cliche former cop PI, but I am sure that will be built on in the future.
-You have an extremely slow burn going here with very little of your cast shown in this early issue, but the atmosphere of the issue will keep me coming back.
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Post by The MRP! on Sept 26, 2014 0:37:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments, Corrigan is a work in progress shall we say, we'll see if I can pull of my plans for him.
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Sept 27, 2014 9:48:57 GMT -5
First of a new age of DC Fanfiction! I'm excited to read this - MRP, you've always written superbly, and brought a lot of life and concept to characters - Having recently read a decent amount of Noir for my own enjoyment and also for my own novel/masters course, I love the feeling you establish immediately. I see what you mean about the Lovecraft elements as well - that's definitely present, particularly with the "etchings" statement.
The story, for the most part, is pretty gripping. You set up the environment nicely, and the characters - but there's the odd technical gaff that pulled me out a bit. One thing, if i may, is the use of run on sentences in the opening sequences. There's a LOT of Ands. Examples? Now, this is something I suffer from as well
"He slid the spray can of deodorizer out of his coat pocket and sprayed himself down to cover the smell of cigarettes, and slid through the door he had propped open with a rock and back inside the hospital.
He stopped by his locker and ditched the jacket and his pack of smokes, and grabbed a breath mint."
I'd be inclined to do something like "He slid the spray can of deodorizer out of his coat pocket, spraying himself down to cover the smell of cigarettes. Todd, quietly, slid through the door he had propped open with a rock, back inside the hospital"
Your mileage may vary, but I think the ditching of "ands" gives a more fluid sense to the story, and less like bolt on pieces to a sentence. Plus, that sentence was really long - as you probably know, the shorter the sentences the quicker the pace and the more "punchy" the writing. I just notice this stuff because I do it, too.
The other thing - is repetition. For example;
“Awww man, you have got to be fucking kidding me!” Todd swore as he fished the Ipod out of his pocket.
You don't need to tell us Todd swears, because, we already know that. He just did it when he said fuck. It just robs the line of some substance because you're going over what we already know.
Also, really silly comment - perhaps highlighting ignorance on my part? Is it not Persona non-grata?
At any rate, great set up - We get a reference to Xanadu, who, I assume will turn up next issue, and Corrigan is set up as a cop no more, but from that background, which tells us a lot immediately, especially his fall from grace. I am hoping that the guy banging on Xanadu's door will be in the next issue, when we meet her, and then the following issue it will be our turn to meet Fate - but whatever you bring, I'm sure it will be great.
Apologies if the above seems picky, but the actual content of the story isn't bad, it isn't distracting or rubbish, it's just those little run ons and little repetitions that seem to drag some of the soul away.
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Post by C_Miller on Sept 27, 2014 10:27:02 GMT -5
I VERY much got a TV vibe, which based on what you titled the issue, it leads me to believe that you were trying for that, so good job there. Probably the biggest aspect is how visual it is. I could easily see all of the events transpiring and the opening acted as a brilliant example of a cold open. It certainly set the tone of the overall issue.
You set up an extremely gripping story, which I think comes down to the size. The lower word count really helps create a nice atmospheric vibe which really propels your story in a way I don't think it would have if you had sat down and explained everything. That's certainly a problem that I tend to come into a lot. I try to over explain eveything and I lose sight of the mystery.
The one thing I would have liked a bit more of would be character development. There is certainly a chance that Todd Bailey is going to be a major character within this work, but right now we only have that quick scene with one of your main characters. And even still there's only once scene where a character interacts with another character. I have no doubt that you wanted to set up the tone for the series before introducing your characters, but it was something that stuck out here.
I'll really have to read this again to form any type of mechanics critique, but I will say that this was a solid first issue and I look forward to more.
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Post by The MRP! on Sept 27, 2014 13:22:54 GMT -5
Well a third main character appeared briefly in cameo, albeit on a TV screen I'll make one not on the structure of the opening-in the original Doorway to Nightmare comics and in a lot of noir or PI type stories whether TV or comics, we often have an opening sequence (in TV/film usually pre-title sequence and in more modern comics a pre-splash page sequence) where we meet the victim/person who comes to the investigator to get their help that focuses one them and their problem-the hope I believe is to get the reader/viewer interested/invested in the case, the world, and the "victim" before the protagonist enters the scene so that the audience can root for the investigator to solve the case/help the "victim"-which is how I decided to structure the opening. In Doorway, it's always someone having difficulties who then winds up at Madame Xanadu's doorstep wondering if they should go in, but not going in until they were desperate enough to do so-many times they go in initially skeptical, Xanadu gives her spiel and then they are in denial, leave and come back to get her help when it all goes south and they realize she was right-Todd's plight was my take on that idea, he never goes at first despite Alicia's suggestion, but when it all goes south he ends up running there with nowhere else to turn...but this isn't just a Xanadu book, it's a Hub City book, so the Corrigan sequence, the TV spot, the Henderson Wing are all aspects of the bigger picture, the bigger story of the city-organized crime, political corruption and these horrors in and around the city...all part of the fabric of the Hub laying there for all to see, but in the background, secondary to Todd and Corrigan which is where the spotlight was shining... appreciate the comments guys-Ed..I'll look at the technical stuff you mentioned, and work on keeping it in mind as I edit later issues. I may go back and do another pass on the first issue at some point too. Chris-I'm aware f the character development aspect, but again as I laid out above-that was an intentional omission in the opening, sacrificed to give the audience a chance to interact with some aspects of the Hub itself, which in many ways is the main character here. Again, we'll see if I can pull it off moving forward, but I will warn people this will be a slow burn. I am trying to avoid what I see as one of the most common mistakes in fan fiction-writers trying to fit all 75 years of ideas and character evolution/development into a few thousand words of story, and even if they manage to do so successfully (which is rare) it leaves them nowhere to go next or without any ideas for more...so slow burn is they way I am approaching it. Again, we will see if it works or if I can pull it off. -M
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 3, 2014 4:07:29 GMT -5
Storm Season Part 2 is up....
-M
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Post by buck on Nov 8, 2014 12:44:42 GMT -5
Alright issue two really delivered. You are starting to bring more of your characters to the story and thickening the mystery. The introduction to Vic Sage was nicely done and gives us the clear vision of who he is. The entire kidnapping of Brady was excellently done. Nothing was too noticeable in the grammar department.
Keep the issues coming though thus far has been an excellent read.
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Post by Jackalope on Nov 19, 2014 23:08:57 GMT -5
The MRP! I presume?
Just reread the first issue and read through the second. I really liked both, but I think because of my familiarity with more of the characters I like the second issue more. I agree with all of the comparisons with a TV style story (hopefully more True Detective rather than Supernatural), which was great. The first issue did really well setting up the atmosphere. In the second, I liked your portrayal of everyone's favourite paranoid, Vic Sage. And like Buck, I thought the kidnap scene was pretty excellent too.
When I heard your pitch I immediately thought Fatale. Bring on the Lovecraftian horror to our UDCU. Depending on my pitch- I may try to create some connection to it.
A really solid start. It's seems like a solid foundation to the magic side of this site (or maybe the darker side of magic).
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 20, 2014 0:51:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments on issue 2, glad folks are digging this so far.
-M
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 1, 2014 0:12:33 GMT -5
I really liked this latest issue.
It's nice that we're getting full intros to who I consider your main characters and it's nice to sit back and watch the community of heroes you're developing. Despite Hub City being a big city, the set up you have going kind of reminds me of my college town where everyone plays a role and everyone knows the role they play, even if they don't know the person personally. I like that.
Your characters come off rather well, Victor Sage really being the stand out here. He was very much The Question from the comics/animated series, but he didn't sink into parody, which can be a concern with a quirky character.
My one issue as of now comes from the length. I definitely see what you're trying to do with the whole television angle, but when it comes down to it, by the time I get into your universe, the issue is over. You and I both can be long winded and it's nice to see you addressing a problem point, but I think there's a happy medium. I don't think it's necessarily a cardinal sin to let the story breathe a bit.
But frankly, you're probably in a great place if my only complaint is what's "not there" rather than what is. Great job and I really do look forward to more.
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 12, 2014 3:49:28 GMT -5
Another great issue, always great issues mind you...
Victor Sage is going to be a stand out character, it seems. Although, I was never a fan of the mad conspiracy nut angle for the character, but it works so well. Mind you, I can see you're not necessarily going for that angle, more the "insanely talented investigator".
I found the introduction of Kim Liang, and thus Jim Corrigan to be a little exposition heavy. You're telling us way too much, instead of showing. We go from what Corrigan is like as an employer, into her history with her parents in china, and so on...it's a big info dump, and it's all telling. Though it does lead to a nice introduction of Xanadu. We keep talking about this as a TV show type of deal, but this sort of exposition would never fly because it's not terribly engaging. Sure, we know a lot about Kim Liang now, but this could have come out in dialogue, or elsewhere to bring it into the showing, rather than telling category.
(Also, please be aware, I am sure I made/make all of these types of errors in my own writing, but sometimes it's difficult to see the forest because there's all these trees in the way...)
The kidnapping, with the introduction of our first serious villain, is great. I like what you've done with this classic villain, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.
I do think that while we dove tail in that our core concepts are similar (magic) we have very different approaches to what we're doing, and that brings a lot of flavour and colour to our work as a whole. I think there is a lot I can definitely learn from your approach to things, particularly the slow-burn effect and the strong introductions to the characters...I tend to fly along quite quickly and introduce too many concepts. My brain works faster than my fingers...
But yes, very good. Looking forward to #3 and hopefully (?) the introduction of a certain practitioner of destiny...
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