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Post by buck on Nov 19, 2014 1:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 19, 2014 1:40:01 GMT -5
I expect that the handful of DC books I am currently enjoying that just started new directions or just launched and will have enough issues to make 1 tpb worth of material will not be coming back after convergence with a "look we tired it but it just didn't sell" lame excuse justification as to why they are not returning. I expect you will see several weeklies launch (or relaunch in the case of Eternal) after Convergence. I expect a soft reboot/renumbering/new #1s on a lot of books after convergence to pare away what didn't work with the launch and to try to recapture sales lightning in a bottle they had with the sales push the reboot brought. And I expect an attempt to streamline brands and create corporate synergy (as Diane Nelson termed it in her letter to DC editorial and staffers outlining the reasons and goals of the Burbank move) pushing through changes to gear the DC line of comics to build towards/feed off of their cinematic stuff, so the no humor, dark gritty grim we take ourselves way too seriously of Nolan/Goyer/Snyder will be the tone the DC line aspires too.
And if the Convergence stuff sells, maybe an Elseworlds type line to explore/exploit more of it, but if everyone who says they are skipping it in forums and such does skip it, and the sales for it are terrible,then they will point to it and say as much as people say they want this pre-Flashpoint stuff, it doesn't sell and isn't viable anymore and the legacy of the pre-52 DCU will be buried and forgotten.
But then I am a cynical bastard and my expectations reflect that.
-M
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Post by C_Miller on Nov 19, 2014 8:02:42 GMT -5
I hate events. And as much as I'm happy that Geoff Johns isn't spearheading this one, it's hard to get excited when a newcomer and Scott Lobdell are the driving forces on the main event.
That being said, there are a lot of books that I'm excited for. Greg Rucka returning to DC with one of his pet characters is exciting. The return of Stephanie Brown Batgirl and Ray Palmer are also things I'm looking forward to. I see they're doing a JLI one shot with Ron Marz writing. I think Marz is a fine writer, but it would have been really cool if they had managed to get Giffen, J.M. Dematteis and Maguire to do that one.
And regardless of the creative team, I will be getting the JSA that is most definitely getting released at some point.
At the end of the day, I don't know what this is going to do. Is it going to be the last bone they throw fans of the Pre-Flashpoint Universe? Or is there going to be a soft reboot where they fold some of this back into the DCU? Obviously I hope it's the latter, but with that being said, they need a better creative model. Bob Harras needs to go and I'd be inclined to say that Dan Didio needs to join him. I'm not a Didio hater, but I think they need to clean house and start giving more creative freedom and freedom of ideas. They've gotten a bit better with the new Batman stuff, but it feels like a thinly veiled attempt to match Marvel's success on books like Hawkeye and Daredevil.
If they were really committed to creativity, they wouldn't have done it on a line that already sells gang busters.
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 19, 2014 8:19:02 GMT -5
Here's the thing, I might be excited about some of these returns if it weren't just to include them in a bunch of celebrity death match fight scenes with everything else being filler in an event that is filler. It feels more like a parody of what went before than an homage to it. Oh you like Steph Brown do you, well here' she is but she's going to fight Kingdom Come Batman or Earth 3 Owlman because yeah, that was what her stories were all about...all they need now is Celebrity Death Match claymation variant covers and the event will be complete...
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Nov 25, 2014 15:36:35 GMT -5
I'm really not that interested in reading Countdown across forty titles a month, you know?
I love Elseworlds as much as anyone else, and Countdown: Arena had some DECENT points but...well, for one it killed my Beloved Breach.
Secondly, it really wasn't that great at all. And Battle Royal with AU characters...I'm just not down for it. It seems that DC really aren't interested in producing the peripheral characters that much either, my title lists are shrinking and shrinking, and I think, if they go back to the old publishing universe I'll lose them all, and be left with nowt. Not ideal.
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 25, 2014 15:47:39 GMT -5
I think I might pick up 1 Convergence book so far-Hawkman and Hawkwoman by Jeff Parker and Tim Truman set during the Shadow War days...maybe. All depends if I can read and enjoy one book without having to have read the whole kit and kaboodle. If not, then I won't buy the one.
-M
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Post by buck on Dec 15, 2014 23:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 16, 2014 0:25:35 GMT -5
Well, that's pretty much everything I get. Swamp Thing Cancelled? Shiiit.
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Post by buck on Dec 16, 2014 0:28:22 GMT -5
When Soule went exclusive with Marvel it was just a matter of time.
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 16, 2014 0:30:43 GMT -5
But...there are other writers out there!
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Post by buck on Dec 16, 2014 0:34:45 GMT -5
Yes there are, but it's sales have constantly been bordering on the line for cancellation in the New 52. they got lucky when Soule took over the book where it actually improved in quality over Snyder's already solid run. I'm curious to see if it will get relaunched post-convergence or not.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 16, 2014 7:27:42 GMT -5
GLC is probably the biggest surprise for me. Either, Green Lantern is one of the properties that is going to be retooled or Green Lantern is officially dead as a cash cow. I was talking to my comic book store owner today about it. I was going through a collection he just got from an estate sale and I was pulling certain properties. I was pulling X-Men, Batman, Spider-Man, Flash, but Green Lantern was not one of the titles he wanted pulled. I remarked that a few years ago a full run of Johns would be something to look out for or Green Lantern Rebirth would be one of the first books I'd recommend to people, but now they just simply don't move.
I personally blame the movie
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Post by Wachter on Dec 16, 2014 11:47:59 GMT -5
Didn't the movie happen in the middles of Johns' run?
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 16, 2014 15:39:55 GMT -5
I think it coincided with the crap retelling of the origin everyone knows.
Seriously, I know that Klarion, and Trinity of Sin weren't big sellers, and Aquaman and the Others is a kind of lazy title, but...DC appear to be sloughing off their "diverse" titles for favor on the core heroes, again. Arkham Manor is dying, but I'd imagine that gets tied into the re-launch of Batman Eternal, to be honest.
It seems to me that they're going to do something interesting with the relaunch? Or at least I hope they do. Perhaps a Swamp-Thing and Animal Man team up? (PLEASE. PLEEEAAASE)
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Post by The MRP! on Feb 6, 2015 6:39:46 GMT -5
DC just announced their post Convergence plans and I have to say I am intrigued by some of these announced books; and blown away by the creative team choices on some of them. Plus they actually said they want a line of books where story trumps continuity....someone pinch me....
SO say goodbye to the new52 and hello to 48 titles meant to be diverse and accessible...color me absolutely shocked!
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Feb 8, 2015 14:58:33 GMT -5
Yeah, some of this is really interesting. I am planning on trying...
Constantine: The Hellblazer
Cyborg
Dark Universe
Green Lantern: Lost Army
Earth 2: Society
Dr Fate
Martian Manhunter
Midnighter
Mystic U
Omega Men
So, DC are taking a fair bit of my money. Again.
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Post by The MRP! on Feb 8, 2015 15:08:40 GMT -5
I am not sure they will get any of my money, but I may check out some of this stuff when they finally put out the trades for it sometime in 2016 (when my library gets it or if I have free Amazon credit as our bank rewards).
I think I am pretty much done with buying new individual comics as a whole. Back issues sure, but new stuff, not so much.
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Feb 8, 2015 15:17:05 GMT -5
That's fair enough - I still like the monthly hit of sequential brilliance, or, not brilliance in some cases!
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Post by The MRP! on Feb 8, 2015 15:31:33 GMT -5
There are factors beyond content in my decision-value for price and storage among them. I can get the trades for a far better price per page of content and not have ads interrupting story and yet have to pay for those pages of non-content. And it is easier to store a trad eon a shelf than add 6 issues of floppies to whatever storage unit they are in, rereading is easier to pull out a trade than find 6-8 floppies floating in various boxes, etc.
If there were still interesting things unique to the floppy I would consider it (which is why Rucka's Lazarus and Brrubaker's Image books which offer text pieces unique to the floppy and not the trades still get some consideration, not enough to forgo tradewaiting though), but the only thing I get for the extra money is ads and houseads, so no thank you.
-M
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Post by The MRP! on Feb 25, 2015 2:13:33 GMT -5
Well DC let another one get away...Andrea Sorrentino who did impressive runs on I Vampire and Green Arrow (with Lemire) has signed an exclusive contract iwth Marvle for the next several years (Marvel announced it today). Sorrentino, to me was the best visual storyteller DC had going in any of the new52 titles. There may have been better artists form a technical or stylistic view (though I might even argue that) but in terms of exciting storytelling on a page to page and panel to panel basis, Sorrentino was at the top of the DC heap. He left Arrow to do some X-Men annual and such for MArvel, but MArvel made him an offer he couldn't refuse, something DC wasn't willing to do. He's doing an Old Man Logan thing for Secret Wars with Bendis but it will be interesting to see what series he lines up with after Secret Wars settles. My hope is he is Bendis' partner on the Heroes for Hire title BMB hinted at when his Avengers run ended. Kaare Andrews Iron Fist is ending with issue 12 and I would love to see Sorrentino do a cage/Fist/Misty Knight kind of street level super-hero book. I might even buy it as the only new comic I am getting currently is my subscription to Heavy Metal.
-M
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