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Post by hawksmoor on Nov 6, 2014 11:49:54 GMT -5
So, despite my inability to meet deadlines, we're not in a position where Sentinels will be put up tomorrow.
I've written it, but just need to do a final proofing and editing of it all, so I am getting my threads up.
So, tomorrow, at 17.00 GMT, I will be uploading Issue #1 of Sentinels.
Hopefully, it will be reasonably enjoyable. All things considered...
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Post by The MRP! on Nov 9, 2014 3:55:11 GMT -5
Just finished the first issue. Interesting start. It certainly is big in scope and scale, but maybe a little too big. Except for the opening scene with Traci, it all felt a little impersonal, so much time and space was given to that scene the rest felt rushed and imbalanced leaving the whole a little off kilter. coming back to Traci at the end just emphasized the feeling it was her story and the other bits were distractions or side paths taking time and focus away from the main thread, which was Traci. The other bits were interesting, but again too short when compare to the main Traci scene in Fawcett, so they felt like tack-ons rather than part of a seamless whole. Future issues could correct the balance, but the first issue just felt heavily tilted.
On the grammar side, there were a number of sentences that look like they were edited or changed, but not all of the original part was taken out, as there are stray extra articles, or other words littered here and there that look like vestiges of a previous sentence construction that was changed to read better (and the sentence would have read well too, if the extraneous bits had been removed), but with those vestiges still there, the sentences read awkwardly and the flow of the narrative ground to a halt as my brain focused on how the sentence should have read rather than what it was saying. Mostly it just needed another proofreading pass after the edits/revisions were made to make sure all the changes were cleaned up. If that had been done, it would have read very well.
So overall, a solid start, but a little unbalanced, but I do look forward to seeing where you are going with it all.
-M
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Post by hawksmoor on Nov 9, 2014 11:17:55 GMT -5
Hey MRP, Thanks for the review.
Sorry about the grammar thing - I have a sneaking suspiscion I might have uploaded an incorrect version of it. I tend to save multiple versions of the same story, instead of over-writing. Just in case...
Clearly this has backfired.
Fair enough on the tacked on scene elements as well. Initially, it was all going to be like that, little snap shots of what was going on, but I felt that having Traci as a focal point might ground the issue. Instead, it just exemplified the off-kilter nature of it all.
Thanks though, I was half weighing up having Traci be the complete focal character - Issue 2 was supposed to be more information/background, and 3 was going to focus almost completely on Victor. I might change that round now and make Traci the central POV character for everyone else, and have her complete some of the running around.
More importantly, thank you for reading it and giving me a review, I appreciate that a great deal. I've been a bit lax myself in responding to your second issue and Bucks first, so I will be doing that as well.
I'm hoping to get issue 2 out in the next couple of weeks, before the end of November, and hopefully, 3 at the beginning of December as I am going to Australia for Christmas, so my writing time will be completely deleted.
Again, thanks very much and I'll be sure to take into account your comments about the focus of the issue.
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Post by buck on Nov 9, 2014 21:49:39 GMT -5
I read this last night, but just now getting the chance to review it. I agree with mrp it was kind of clunky and uneven, but most first issues are as it takes a few issues to get things really moving along.
The biggest pro for me was the fact all of the characters were well represented I got to know everyone who appeared well enough that I know who they are in the coming chapters.
But look forward to the next issue.
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Post by Jackalope on Nov 19, 2014 23:51:19 GMT -5
Hi Hawksmoor, First up, I want to mention what a great line up you have. I was initially jealous of some of the great characters you've brought together. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with them.
I thought the first issue was decent, I got the feeling of snippets that I think you were trying to convey. Good description of Fawcett city, and I loved your idea of Eternity Corp. redistributing magic. Obviously, I'm a bit confused as to what's happening specifically but, as with all good things, I'm sure all will reveal itself. Can't wait to see what Beryl's role will be.
Go Go Sentinals!
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Post by hawksmoor on Nov 21, 2014 15:48:20 GMT -5
Also, thanks Buck - I like writing characters, sometimes I get carried away with them, and I lose the plot, so apologies if it's clunky. I keep scenes short sometimes intentionally, so I don't end up writing forty pages of dialogue, but that also backfires. Sadly, this isn't one of those times! I will attempt to even out the oddness of the story.
Thanks Jack!
I am a fan of the odd, and obscure, and strange, so the cast is going to vary a bit. I'm glad you liked the snippet thing, but #2 is really focused on Traci, and a big bit of Barda an' all. Slowly, the porpoise of it all will reveal itself, but, I think cards will be on the table by #3/#4 and you'll know why we're seeing what we're seeing!
Thanks again!
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Post by hawksmoor on Nov 30, 2014 16:00:38 GMT -5
Sentinel's #2 is Up:
This issue, all Traci, all the time!
Traci 13 talks to her girlfriends. Traci 13 gets beaten up. Traci 13 gets rescued by Barda. Traci 13 goes off to learn the history of the Worlds.
Yeah!
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Post by C_Miller on Nov 30, 2014 22:06:52 GMT -5
I think I preferred the second issue to the first, but I liked both.
One thing I really like about your writing is that it's very forward thinking, however like you said, you're very much a character writer. I agree that it has the chance of combating with your big plot stuff. That being said, I think your character work propels this enough to where the plot doesn't matter as much. I say that with a grain of salt though. Plot is obviously important, but I do think your characters are strong enough to keep me coming back.
My favorite part of your issue was the conversation between Zatanna, Black Alice and Traci 13. It's easy to give three young girls all the same voice, but you found different ones for each. And I'm not entirely sure on the ages, but they rang true with people ages 16-25, which I assume is the age range you're working with.
The one part I'd be a bit careful with is that I did feel kind of lost in your story. There are a ton of things that I supposedly need to accept, but I'm not really clear on why I need to accept them. Although you lead me to believe that there will be some exposition in the next issue, which I'm looking forward to.
On the back of the first Mind the Gap trade, there's a review that says "I'm not sure what I just read, but I love it!" and I think that sums up my feeling on this series. I really enjoy it, but I'm in the dark.
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 1, 2014 15:13:14 GMT -5
I'm intrigued to understand more about what you mean about Forward thinking?
And also, if you don't mind elaborating on what things you're supposed to accept?
Sorry, just engaging in some narcissism here, but from the point of view of trying to grow as a writer, I sort of want to grow what is already working and build on the rest. You're also dead right about the girls ages, they're hitting that bracket nicely.
I'm hoping that the exposition, hopefully not a dump, will be enough to answer some of the questions in the following issue (which I hope to get uploaded before the 20th of December). There's a fair bit going on, and we are going to be visiting Victor Stone again shortly.
Thanks for the review!
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 1, 2014 17:46:16 GMT -5
Forward thinking was probably a bad word choice on my part. It was late after a marathon writing session. And now that I'm sitting here after a long day of work, I'm blanking on a good wording as well. Morrison-Esque or even Doctor Who-Esque where you're not resting on the laurels of just telling a basic Sci-Fi or Magic story. You're just kind of going for it and telling a rather heady story. I hope I explained it better. If not, shoot me a PM and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.
As for what I'm supposed to accept, I'm not sure if I can call any specific examples, but I just felt like I was thrown into this world very quickly and it's either get on board or get out of the way. So far there are these characters who have powers and things are happening that seem really important, but I'm not sure what the connections are. There's just a lot going on and nothing has really been explained.
But like I said, it seems like that will be next issue. And I will say, I definitely feel like I'm along for the ride and I believe I got the right feelings out of it, so even though there's a lot of stuff to simply accept, I think you're making good choices.
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Post by buck on Dec 2, 2014 2:07:17 GMT -5
The pacing on this was excellently done. You lulled me into a sense of things slowing down from the explosive end of the last issue, but then you ramped it right back up. I loved seeing Traci frantically trying to use her powers to save her life.
You have done a great job thus far of jumping in media res with Traci and her coven, but the difficult part of that is filling in the missing details as you go. Unfortunately, for me I didn't feel like I learned anything this issue that filled in the gaps of my knowledge. And again to be completely fair it seems you are building to a big exposition issue that will fill in a lot of stuff rather then giving snippets here and there.
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 2, 2014 15:55:07 GMT -5
Thanks Buck, I tried to set out some snippets of the Third and Fourth world, but I do find it difficult sometimes to set out little nibblets of information, especially as I hate Expositiony issues, I found myself drowning in one.
I'll try and keep it a bit better paced though - glad you enjoyed the issue itself. I really love Traci, and have since her first appearance. Funnily enough, her first appearance was the first Superman comic I ever bought from the shop, when I was at Uni.
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Post by Wachter on Dec 12, 2014 3:56:02 GMT -5
Ultimate Sentinels #1: Human AgeGonna start this off with the same thing I just finished tearing into Buck for... People don't use the one another's names in conversation unless it's to accentuate a point or your mother is screaming at you because you broke the fine china and it's the only time you ever hear your middle name used outside of applications. Traci didn't need to constantly say Lori. Vic and his dad didn't really need to use "Vic..." "Dad!" every other sentence. That said, for them it is possible for such a conversation to work but it doesn't come across as such. It's something that's difficult to pull off in prose but had you had people playing the parts, they would have put the venom behind every utterance of Vic and Dad. I'd go on to say Elias would probably have used his son's formal name in such context. Love me some Big Barda... yum. yum. yum... (Just ignore this line) Ultimate Sentinels #2: Violence TendenciesWhy am I getting a Tiffany Aching vibe to Traci and her coven? Fantastic fight scene. I'm going to have to reread it when I'm not as tired so that I can pay closer attention to when Barda appears. The characters are growing quickly on me. Very quickly. Bravo on that. I'm happy to pass the torch to someone else when it comes to young female superheroes to you. It's quite possibly going to be a slow build but I can't help but want you to get to the tech aspects faster. I'm incredibly curious as to how the tech characters are going to mesh with the magical world. Shilo simply makes me want to punch his face in (in a good way).
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Post by hawksmoor on Dec 12, 2014 4:22:36 GMT -5
Yeah, fair enough on the name thing. I wonder if that's a Brit thing compared to an American thing, though? Not trying to get out of it, because, yes, I shouldn't be having a character repeat the name a lot, but, at least in my conversations, we name check each other a fair amount. Weird, maybe it's just me? But I appreciate the comments - with the introduction of more characters coming, I'm going to need to be much more careful with that.
I don't know who Tiffany Aching is, I'm afraid. So, if it there are similarities, I don't know what they are! But thank you on the fight scene, Traci's particularly abilities are something I have admired for a long time, and sadly, they got shuffled away when she became more mainstream. I am glad that you're enjoying the characters though, Traci is a wonderful character to write, and so is Barda. She's so brilliantly powerful and engaging - She's a really striking character.
I am glad Shilo is coming across as a "loveable?" arse.
The mesh between the tech and the magic is going to come in the next few issues, and we're going to be visiting Victor next issue (I think?) I'd be interested to see your views on these things as well, as the tech isn't going to be...quite what you're expecting, I think. I dunno though, as I don't know what you're expecting!
Thanks for the reviews!
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Post by Wachter on Dec 12, 2014 4:36:22 GMT -5
Tiffany Aching is the protagonist for the Young Adult Discworld adventures that have continued the Witches storyline. She's a lot like Traci.
It might be a cultural thing. Entirely possible. Your use of it wasn't too bad and I truly believe that Victor and his father would have been speaking like that. It's the sort of verbal match you have with someone you're not agreeing with or think you know better.
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Post by hawksmoor on Jan 9, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5
Played out a bit longer than I wanted, and it was quite exposition-y (sorry) but Issue #3 is up. I am slightly worried it doesn't answer any of the questions people had, but, I will be trying to answer them next issue as I build up Beryl, Traci and we get to see Victor (it was issue #4 I meant...not #3)
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Post by Wachter on Feb 10, 2015 23:55:22 GMT -5
This is my note to review this tomorrow because somehow I missed it then forgot about it then missed it again.
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Post by Wachter on Feb 11, 2015 20:06:46 GMT -5
Random Notes while Reading:
Direction of One made me smile.
Jui?
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Yeah, you were right over the exposition bit. There's a lot of it. You made things worse with the format of the issue which had extra spacing between the paragraphs and made it seem even longer than it really was. I really enjoy all your little humor bits. I never really understood what the Second World was throughout all the exposition. Barda and Diablo were very sweet together. If you kill Barda, I will *gives Taken speech*.
Honestly, there's not much to comment on with this issue. It's really just one long scene that answers some questions while adding even more questions. Squire is not someone I'd immediately expect to be in a title like this but I'm looking forward to her appearance. Traci really, really has a strong voice. I'm impressed with it. She very nearly managed to carry an entire issue where not much happened.
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Post by hawksmoor on Feb 13, 2015 3:20:55 GMT -5
Yeah, with regards to the Jui thing....i think I probably spelled it wrong, but it refers to like, chef stuff. As in a reduction of something, like when you stew down Rapsberry's, you get a Raspberry Jui. Yeah, this is what happens when your wife watches Master Chef all the time.
Also, formatting = Sorry, I thought I'd killed that when I uploaded it. Clearly I need to be more vigilant.
No plans to Murder Barda. Yet.
There's going to, hopefully, be a few left field character choices for this title, as...well, all is not what it seems. I'm glad you're enjoying reading Traci, because I am having a hell of a time writing her. Shame she has to suffer the fate she does...
Kidding.
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Post by Wachter on Feb 23, 2015 22:47:41 GMT -5
It's been bothering me and google has been no help. My friends have failed me. Is Jui supposed to some shorthand for juice? I NEED TO KNOW!!! Or do you mean gui which as far as I can find only relates to meat...
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Post by hawksmoor on Feb 24, 2015 16:05:38 GMT -5
Honestly, it's on Master Chef and stuff. It's like, stewed down and reduced stuff. I've only ever heard it referred to as Raspberry Jui (probably still spelled wrong) Also, to be clear, Raspberry Jui is, like, a Raspberry version. I am sure there are other versions.
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Post by Wachter on Feb 24, 2015 17:33:19 GMT -5
Honestly, it's on Master Chef and stuff. It's like, stewed down and reduced stuff. I've only ever heard it referred to as Raspberry Jui (probably still spelled wrong) Also, to be clear, Raspberry Jui is, like, a Raspberry version. I am sure there are other versions. This is going to start another round of googling with every possible combo of raspberry and things that could sound like jui.
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Post by hawksmoor on Mar 7, 2015 10:22:37 GMT -5
So, Sentinel's #4 is up. Not so happy with the first scene, but, it is what it is. Hope you all enjoy.
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Post by Wachter on Mar 20, 2015 19:09:01 GMT -5
Another note to myself so that I remember to read issue 4 this weekend.
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Post by buck on Apr 3, 2015 23:34:21 GMT -5
Sorry took me forever to get around to issue 3. I am going to post as I go so I hopefully don't forget anything.
Alright sorry to start on a negative, but the formatting aggravated me all the way through. I am not sure if the double spacing between each line is intentional or not but made it a pain to scroll through and read.
I really liked the snow simile when talking about the the magic in the Council's Stronghold.
Usually not a fan of pop culture references, but loved Barda calling it the Direction of One.
Love the Diablo Blacksmith stuff though I have to say his thing with Barda just came across as a tad bit creepy.
Traci is a delightful character under your pen and You've done a great job presenting her as a lost teenager thrust into a world she doesn't understand.
Keep up the good work man look forward to when I find time for part 4.
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